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St. Paul’s Ghost Parks — 18 Comments

  1. >> Who owns the rest of that steep, un-buildable land on the hillside…? << That’s where plats become your friend! It appears that most of the slope is extensions of yards from the homes facing Edgcumbe. What I find most fascinating is that there is right-of-way platted for a path or roadway surrounding both parks, connected to Deer Park Rd. Seems like a great way to improve the area for public use! See a screenshot here: https://imgur.com/EwOgVuz

    Fountain Park is platted to have Watson Avenue proceed downslope to Lexington: https://imgur.com/1ZiuxgZ

  2. Thanks again, Sean! The plat maps he refers to can be generated from this GIS tool on the Ramsey County site — but once you arrive at a desired view, there doesn’t seem to be any way to extract a unique URL for it. Hence the screen shots. I have taken the liberty of reproducing Sean’s Imgur links and hosting them here.

  3. So it looks like, once we stepped inside that gate, we were in a public right of way, not on someone’s property. Good to know.

  4. Something that may be of interest: A geocache icon is placed within Dawson Park according to the map on geocaching.com. Neither of these ghost parks appears on the site’s base map, but the Cooler Crew Cachers apparently knew enough about the boundaries of Dawson Park to place a mystery cache icon there. This was one of a series of geocaches placed for the 2016 Winter Carnival. I remember solving this, and finding the physical container in nearby Crosby Park. I’ll bet more than a few people mistakenly visited Dawson Park in search of it.

    By the way, thanks for the coffee shop reviews. I have added many of them to my list of places to try.

  5. Gina, thanks, and welcome to the conversation.

    I don’t quite understand the situation with that possible geocache in Dawson Park. Do you think there actually was (is?) one there? Or do you mean the contest organizers placed a map icon in Dawson Park but the actual cache was in Crosby Farm Park?

    Glad you are enjoying the coffee shop reviews. Once you have visited some of them, feel free to add your comments to the original posts.

  6. I had difficulty explaining, but yes, the physical cache was in Crosby Farm Park. Only the icon is placed at Dawson Park, which sort of indicates the organizers were at least aware of its existence. I now wonder if any other cache icons are in ghost parks, and if any of them are indicative of an actual cache container location.

    It sometimes happens that newer geocachers misunderstand the characteristics of a mystery cache, and go to the icon site. So a few people might have visited Dawson Park before figuring out what they were supposed to do, and they would likely have been unaware that the land where they were standing is one of St. Paul’s parks.

  7. On Sept. 12 I submitted Dawson Park and Walsh Park to Google Maps. I’ll update this comment when Google either approves or rejects the additions. As of 2018-11-22, Dawson Park is marked on Google Maps but Walsh Park is not. I never got notification either way.

  8. I had notification from Nextdoor.com, where I published a note about this piece, that at least one reader has purchased Empson’s The Street Where You Live. Gratified.

  9. It’s been so many years since my previous comment, but I noticed Dawson Park is now on Google Maps! In addition to that, someone submitted a photo sphere in May, 2020. If one looks to the northwest, two deer (or perhaps three) can be seen in the grassy area beyond a couple small trees.

  10. Oh, sorry. Looking back in the comments, I see that you submitted Dawson Park to the map. It’s too bad Walsh Park apparently didn’t make the cut.

  11. [ 2022-11-24] Just looked on Google Maps and Dawson Park is gone again.

  12. I wonder what benefit was gained by removing Dawson Park again. ?? Chalk it up to Google’s mysterious ways, I guess.

  13. Maybe some Googler did a tiny bit of research and failed to find Empson’s work, so decided that Dawson Park must be bogus. I long ago gave up trying to grok Google’s obscure decision processes. I recently had occasion to try to inform Google that a fire road in a small town now has an officially bestowed name. And: there is no way in their interface to tell them that.

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